Cane Creek Double Barrel Air CS Test
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Cane Creek introduced the Double Barrel Coil shock back in 2005. Thanks to 5th Element, Romic and Foes racing it became apparent that shocks that used some type of lock out or anti bob during sprints where to be the wave of the future. Many of these early generation shocks gave up mid stroke support in favor of pedaling performance. Frame designs have changed drastically in the last decade. With a strong push towards better pedaling efficiency and making the most out of smaller travel amounts. This was one aspect that helped in the creation of the modern long and low trail bike that would give many Downhill bikes from a decade ago a serious run for their money. Many shock manufactures have started creating larger volume air shocks with various Compression and Rebound adjustments on them to keep up with this new style of frame. Typically these will include some variant of a climb switch. Typically these effect the compression side of the shock. Cane Creek decided to split Compression and Rebound into two different adjustments in the form of Low and High speed variants. Their CS also alters both the compression and rebound side of the shock.
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The CCDB Coil when released was not only very sensitive to small bumps it also helped minimize bob without slamming through its travel at the first sign of a high speed impact. Fast forward 8 years and suspension systems have become more refined and trail bikes much more capable. In 2013 Cane Creek released the CCDB Air CS (Climb Switch). This is a large volume air can shock which helps to keep the shock cool as the descents get longer and rougher. It gives up some weight against the inline version but for those looking for the ultimate in heavy duty trail bike air shocks it is the route to go. Something to consider is that the CCDB Air is so big around there are some frames on the market that cannot fit it so make sure you check before ordering one. If that is the case they also make a CCDB Inline that is a thinner configuration. The CS version of the shock includes a climb switch feature which essentially increase both compression and rebound and aids the bike while climbing.
CLIMBING SWITCH TECHNOLOGY
CS is the most innovative climbing feature available. This proprietary climbing feature (patent-pending) for Double Barrel shocks alters the entire low frequency dynamic response of the shock to specifically address the demands of ascending on a bicycle.
WHAT IS IT?
CS is a selectable climbing mode on Double Barrel shocks that allows the rider to retain the advantages of a fully-suspended bike while climbing, without unwanted suspension motion. CS is not your conventional pedal-platform as it adjusts both LSC and LSR. By selectively tuning both compression and extension phases when climbing, the shock maintains better traction and control while enhancing pedaling efficiency through the shock’s entire travel.
WHY IS IT BETTER?
The strength of CS lies in the fact that it provides climbing-specific chassis damping in both compression and rebound. The result is better rear-end traction and connection with the trail while minimizing annoying pedal-induced bob. Simply put – the rider is less fatigued and more comfortable. Traditional climbing “platforms” only deal with one half of the climbing dynamics, and thus require the rider's body to respond to the minimally damped rebound forces that are common during technical climbing.
HOW DOES IT WORK?
The Climb Switch changes the low speed damping of Double Barrel shocks in one simple switch, to optimize suspension dynamics during climbing. It does this by turning on and off a set of internal ‘climbing circuits’ that are accessed when CS is engaged. Cane Creek tunes the ‘climbing circuits’ specifically for the demands of off-road climbing to achieve improved pedaling efficiently with less chassis motion. When the rider is ready to descend, with the flip of CS, the shock returns to the traditional low-speed circuits of the Double Barrel.
To best illustrate the advantage of CS, we created the animation below using real data from dyno plots of a shock with CS off and then with CS on.
HOW IS IT DIFFERENT?
The CS feature on DB shocks completely alters the low-speed damping character of the shock. That is, CS changes compression and rebound damping simultaneously to mitigate unwanted chassis motion while climbing without compromising the traction and control one expects from a modern suspension bike. Other shocks with climbing specific adjustments only alter the compression behavior of the shock with no impact on rebound. The Dyno Chart below illustrates the the action of the DBAIR with CS ON and CS OFF as compared to the competition. A damper generates force in opposition to velocity. As velocity increases, so too does the force generated by the damper.
GRAPH OVERVIEW
The horizontal axis of this graph shows shaft speed (velocity). Negative velocity indicates the shaft is moving into the shock (compression) while positive velocity is extending the shock (rebound). The vertical axis represents force. Positive force is the force generated to resist compression and conversely negative force is the force generated to resist shaft extension (rebound force). In a nutshell, the upper left quadrant is compression, the bottom right is rebound. As velocity increases (moves away from the middle) the force increases.
CS ON VS. CS OFF
The grey line is a graph of a shock with CS Off and is indicative of a typical Double Barrel damper at a mid-range setting. The orange line is the CS ON setting and is much steeper than the grey line. This indicates that for the same shaft speed, the CS ON setting develops more force. In other words, the CS ON setting is stiffer and resists movement more than the CS OFF setting and both compression and rebound are affected. For the rider, this translates into better traction and control at low speeds.
TRADITIONAL CLIMBING PLATFORMS
The red line is a competitor's shock with the climb feature on and the blue line is the competitor's climb feature off. Most notably, the rebound curve overlaps because there is no change in rebound damping. The compression curve is steeper because our competitors require more compression damping to make a bike feel efficient by limiting the suspension movement. The rider's body is then required to respond to the minimally damped rebound forces and can experience less traction, less control and more fatigue.
CS stabilizes the suspension during both phases of the shock's travel - so your full suspension bike can be a full suspension bike all the time.
DBAIR CS TWIN TUBE TECHNOLOGY
Exclusive Twin Tube Technology circulates oil continuously through the damping valving to achieve highly controllable, independent damping for both compression and rebound strokes. This unique design moves oil through externally adjustable valving instead of the main piston, allowing for superior tunability and eliminating the need for internal valving changes to achieve proper shock setup. The video below explains this concept in more detail.
4 Way Adjustment
LSC is used to manage traction and chassis stabilization. LSC adjustment eliminates pedal induced "bob", influences small bump sensitivity, reduces brake dive and determines how the bike will react to weight changes. The DBAIR CS decouples LSC from HSC so the shock can address the aforementioned issues while still feeling plush and bottomless.
HSC is critical to absorbing energy from high impact forces, such as square edge hits and harsh landings. It also aids in bottom-out resistance. The DBAIR CS manages HSC through an adjustable poppet valve and full oil circuit flow path. The wide adjustment range allows for custom, rider-specific tuning.
LSR works in concert with LSC to stabilize the chassis and manage traction. It is analogous to the single rebound adjuster on most other rear shocks. Rider-tuned LSR adjustment (combined with LSC) ensures maximum traction during technical climbs, high-speed chatter, off-camber corners and braking in stutter bumps.
An adjustment unique to the DBAIR CS, HSR control enables a bike to recover quickly from deep in suspension travel while allowing for controlled take-offs from jump faces. Independent control of HSR and LSR, eliminates bucking (a high shaft speed problem) while preventing the shock from packing up (a low shaft speed problem) by inducing quick recovery.
CS is a proprietary climbing mode on DB shocks that changes the low speed damping via a set of internal "climbing circuits" when engaged. These circuits are tuned specifically for the demands of off-road climbing to achieve improved pedaling efficiency with less chasis motion.
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We mounted the shock on a Guerrilla Gravity Megatrail. The shock came with all hardware and mounted easily. They include Air Can spacers that can be used to make the shock more progressive and the spacers come in a few different sizes, the taller ones having a bigger impact than the smaller ones. Having a shock with 2 rebound, and 2 compression adjustments can be overwhelming for some. It is much easier to mess up your bikes with this many adjustments so keep that in mind. Make adjustments slowly and do one at a time. Luckily a few years ago Cane Creek created the Base Tune feature on their website. It allows you to choose a frame and shock and gives you numbers to start from. They also have a Tuning Tips Section to show what each knob does and why. This is the third Cane Creek DB Air that we have used. The Base Tunes are very accurate we sped up our LSR a few clicks and added a hair of HSC and that was all! This will put a majority of people at a close to perfect starting point so use it.
SPECS
| WEIGHT | 509 grams (weight varies by size) |
| DAMPING | Twin-tube independent compression and rebound in two high-speed and four low-speed damping circuits |
| ADJUSTMENTS |
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| SHAFT MATERIAL | Induction-hardened 4130 steel |
| SHAFT DIAMETER | 8mm |
| FINISH | Anodized and laser-etched |
| MOUNTING INTERFACE | Norglide® bushing 1/2" Universal Axle |
| CAN SIZE | Standard (All Lengths)Extra Volume (200, 216, 222, 240) |
Lengths
| 190 x 50mm (7.5” x 2.0”) |
| 200 x 50mm (7.87” x 2.0”) |
| 200 x 57mm (7.87 x 2.25”) |
| 216 x 63mm (8.5” x 2.5”) |
| 222 x 63mm (8.75” x 2.5”) |
| 222 x 70mm (8.75” x 2.75”) |
| 240 x 76mm (9.5” x 3.0”) |
| 267 x 90mm (10.5” x 3.5”) |
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Cane Creek makes their product in the USA. Luckily we have never had to get any service done to our shocks in the past from Cane Creek but have heard they do provide quick service. This shock showed up at out door within 5 days of ordering it. If any help is needed getting the shock dialed they are just a phone call away. The other two CCDB Air shocks we have used have both been on DH bikes and neither of those where serviced in the time we had them. So they are pretty reliable.
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1. How long has Cane Creek been in the suspension game?
Our suspension roots go back farther than you might suspect. In 1989 -while we were still Diacompe USA – we took on the manufacturing, distribution and sales of the RockShox® fork. Our first rear suspension product was the Air Driver series released in 1996 - bringing one of the first lightweight, air-sprung and air-
damped rear shocks to the market.
2. What other products do you guys make?
The Cane Creek Double Barrel line includes the DBinline, DBair, DBair CS, and DBcoil. Our other core products are our headsets (110-Series, 40-Series, 10-Series, AngleSet, and AER). Additionally, we offer Thudbuster suspension seatposts, Brakes, Bar Ends and Levers. *We manufacture all rear suspension
and premium headsets at our factory in North Carolina.
3. When designing the CCDB Air shock what where some of the goals with the shock?
At that point we knew we needed to expand our product line. The Double Barrel had won numerous awards and earned the stamp of quality and a fine reputation. With the DBair, we didn’t want to simply create an air version of the DBcoil – our engineers set out to address bikes used in DH applications yet specifically
designed for an air-dampened platform. In addition, the DBair had to maintain the DNA of the coil shock, be hand-built in our North Carolina factory, and ensure the highest level of performance and quality control the DB was known for. The resulting DBair shock maintains the quality of the DBcoil shock while giving the
riders who want a more progressive feel (instead of the linear feel of a coil shock) what they are looking for.
4. What made you guys decide to add the Climb Switch on the shock?
It’s safe to say that not addressing the climbing equation would have been a poor business decision. During initial testing our team built additional damping circuits on test shocks to try out the traditional approach. However, the added flexibility through the Double Barrel independent damping design allowed greater exploration into the effect each one had on climbing so that they could take it to a new level. They then asked the very simple question…Why not? Suspension utilizes the bike’s movement while allowing it to stay in control and connected with the ground. The end result was the expansion of Double Barrel suspension performance into climbing.
5. What is your recommended service interval for the shock?
See attached pages from the DB owners manual.
6. Can the customer rebuild the shock?
No – that magic is reserved for our Authorized Service Centers.
7. How many spacers can fit in the Air Can?
That depends on the rider. Our spacers come in a customizable grid sheet so a rider can cut it down to match their needs. See the attached card.
8. Will there be a Cane Creek fork or damper unit for other chassis at some point?
I haven’t seen a single Cane Creek engineer in months and I couldn’t get time from one for this interview – so it’s probably safe to say yes.
9. What type of trail rocks or jumps?
Jumps are way more fun.
10. Uphill or Downhill?
As long as it has “hill” in the name, I’m game.
11. What do you think the US MTB Race circuit needs to make it prosperous again?
Hmmm…good question. I’ll defer to the old adage that it takes money to make money. I once watched a European mountain bike race from my hotel in Sardinia, Italy at 6pm on a Friday. I didn’t understand a word that was being said but the simple fact that I could watch it on TV was amazing.
12. Who is the best ever MTB racer?
Ned Overend –I hear he doesn’t lock out his suspension either.
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Overall the CCDB Air did an excellent job on our Megatrail. The shock had great small bump compliance and is easy enough to keep from bottoming via HSC or adding air can spacers. Typically I like my suspension to be somewhat on the more linear side with a gradual rise towards the bottom of the travel. The Cane Creek Double Barrel Air managed that on our frame without needing to add any air can spacers into it. The bike handled small chatter very well it was very compliant and offered tons of traction. Once speeds picked up and the chunkier terrain was hitting fast and hard the shock did a great job of keeping it all under control. The action of the shock is great it responds fast and very consistently throughout its travel. Bigger hits where a non issue and we ended up slowing rebound down just a hair.
We pretty much ran the shock as they suggested on their Base Tune page and have been very happy with the results with only minor tweaks. There are pluses and minuses to needing tools to adjust the shock. It keeps you from making hasty adjustments while out on the trail or your friends messing with it in a lift line. But if by chance you wanted to slow down the rebound or add LSC you will need a tool to do so. This does help to keep the shock somewhat more slimmed down.
The Cane Creek Double Barrel Air shock is geared towards the gravity side of Enduro. Where descents are long, rough and the bike is making the most of its available suspension. In these instances smaller shocks will get warmer faster and damping will thus be negatively effected. We could have gone for the Inline version and saved some weight and ended up with a more lively bike with a more poppy feel. The CCDB Air likes to stay planted on the ground and maintain traction. The terrain we ride is very rocky, steep and demanding on suspension as a whole so we opted for the CCDB Air. The shocked proved very capable at keeping the bike planted on the rough, and steep terrain while providing traction when it was sorely needed.
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Trevor Roland
Conclusion
Overall the CCDB Air CS did an excellent job of keeping the bike glued to the ground when the terrain got rowdy. Long descents seemed to have no adverse effect on the shock. The shock does an excellent job when when descending. The amount of tuning that the CCDB Air allows the user is vast. All the adjustments have a fair number of clicks. They offer a very comprehensive set-up guide on their website based on specific frame brands. This is a very good place to start.
Cane Creek's creation of the Climb Switch is very functional. The bike will still use its travel but with a much stronger platform and somewhat slower rebound. These combined to make a very capable climber out of a slacked out long travel trail bike. Those suspension designs out there that don't provide a strong pedaling platform can benefit greatly from the CS feature alone. The CCDB AIR CS shock climbs as well as it descends!
Cane Creek has produced one of the best air shocks on the market with the CCDB Air and adding the CS feature to it will open the door for it to make frames with inferior pedaling characteristics much better at going uphill! There are a number of air shocks currently on the market but the Double Barrel Air is the one we would recommend to a friend without hesitation.
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Trevor Roland
Cane Creek Angleset Review
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FEATURES
| Cups and Covers |
7075 T-6 Aluminum |
| Head-Tube Length |
Design is head-tube length independent |
| Alignment | Spherical bearing interfaces allow the AngleSet bearings to be aligned with the steerer-tube regardless of head-tube length or slight cup mis-alignment. |
| Offsets |
Steeper or Slacker +/- 0.5, +/- 1.0, +/- 1.5 & Neutral 0.0 |
| Crown Race |
Fully face-sealed crown race |
| Bearings |
Dependable black-oxide, sealed cartridge bearings |
| Interlok® |
Interlok® spacer compatible |
| Manufacturing |
Cut in Cane Creek’s Fletcher, NC machining facility from U.S.- made aluminum |
| Warranty |
1 year |
| Compatibility |
Internal parts are cross-compatible across the 10, 40 and 110 series |
The AngleSet™ threadless headset makes it possible to change the head angle of a mountain bike with ease. The AngleSet™ offers up to six offset angle adjustments. With steeper or slacker adjustments from 0.5 to 1.5 degrees, dialing in the perfect geometry to attack the trail is a breeze.
The proprietary design of the AngleSet™ is head-tube length independent and fits most standards. A self-aligning feature between the bearings and steerer tube ensure a perfect fit and allows for easy fork installation.
There was some complaints early on of creaking from some users. Upon further investigation, we found that improper installation was the culprit. So we developed an initiative to educate consumers about the finesse required. This was not a headset that could be pounded in on the side of the trail. In addition to our videos we include a bright yellow "Critical Instructions" sheet wrapped around the headset and secured by a black band which reads 'Knowledge is Power - Read the Instructions!". The result has been a huge success - gone are the reports of creaking - which makes us extremely happy.
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Mountain bikes have evolved drastically over the last two decades. They have gone from being full rigid to full suspension, lost weight, better brakes and tires. With all the advancements in technology allowing riders to travel at ever increasing speeds many riders have found it neccesary to slacken their bikes out to keep tham more stable at higher rates of speed. Also the terrain being ridden by the masses has gotten steeper as bikes have progessed. Gone are the days when only a few would brave the rough rocky descents. Now many of these trails are being ridden by the genral public. Mountain bike companies have seemed to fall behind rider demand on getting slacker frames made. Cane Creek saw a need to be filled and created the Angleset to help slacken out frames in need.
This began in the Downhill segment and has evolved into the trail bikes being ridden by the masses. One Downhill bike we tested with an Angleset was The Banshee Legend MKII although this bike is already "slack" we ran it in the -1 setting for almost our entire 2 years with the bike. Install was pretty easy, we greased everything and the headset never made a sound!
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The bike we are using to test this Angleset is an Intense 275. The bike comes standard with a 67.5 degree head angle. The bike works well on most trails with this HA but there are some faster, steeper trails in the area where a slacker HA would make the bike that much better.
The Cane Creek Angleset uses more parts than competitors angle adjusting headsets. First there’s an upper and lower CNC’d aluminum cup, then a pair of gimbles that accounts for the angle regardless of headtube length, then bearings and normal headset parts like a crown race and bearing cover, etc. The one problem with this design is that it can creak. I have heard of people having really creaky anglesets, and it seems to be the only drawback to them. That said, mine has been quiet as a mouse for the course of 6 weeks since I got it. Cane Creek makes it clear in the instructions about lining up the cups perfectly, and I guess that I managed to do that, because I literally have not had one creak from the headset. I also have an aluminum frame which may have something to do with it.
I used Progold EPX grease because it’s pretty thick and has some good stick to it. Then I greased everything: the inside of the headtube, the cups, the inside of the cups, the gimbles the bearing seats, the crown race… you get the picture. If there was a possibility of metal to metal contact, it got greased. I tightened the top cap bolt to 3.5 Nm and the headset hasn’t given me a single issue. The only thing that this does is it makes your steering tight. Not so tight that you feel it riding, but when standing over the bike, it takes a tiny bit more effort to turn the bars one way or the other. It’s a small price to pay for the handling benefits, but one that should be noted. As to why other people’s Anglesets have creaked, I can only think of a few possibilities. First, they’re probably radder than I am. I’ll be the first to admit there are faster people out there. Second, they may have been used on carbon frames, which don’t have the best reputation for being quiet. Third, I think the EPX grease may have something to do with it. It’s pretty thick, much thicker than Park. It’s thick enough that I don’t use it on bearings, but for assembly applications, it’s perfect though. I’ve also never torque’d my top cap bolt before, but putting it to 3.5 Nm was much more than what I would have called “tight” when adjusting any other headset. Lastly, if the cups aren’t perfectly aligned, it’s obvious why that would create a problem and creaking would ensue, which is probably why Cane Creek mentions it in multiple times in the instructions. Although, Cane Creek says that the gimbles are designed to make up for a slight cup misalignment.
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The Cane Creek Angleset might just be the best upgrade you can make to your bike. It was for mine. When I got my Tracer 27.5, it felt much too excited. Almost like it was trying to be a 26” bike. The short stays and 67.5 degree head angle kept the bike from feeling planted. Rather it was lively and flickable. This may not sound like a bad thing, but I wanted it to feel planted and stable. So I put an Angelset on and installed the -1 degree lower cup and bam, my bike is now a downhill sled with some agility. Nothing seems to upset it. In fact it feels like it picks up speed even better now. It’s much more composed and stable. The angleset brings my geometry numbers to 66.5 degree head angle, 17” chainstays, 13.3” bottom bracket height, and a nice long 46.75” wheelbase. The bike feels like it was made for this head angle. The only drawback is that the front wheel sticks out a bit farther, so it takes a little more effort to pull it up over obstacles. However, I got used to it after one ride, and it’s a sacrifice I am happy to make in exchange for the stability the bike now has.
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Overall The Cane Creek Angleset allowed us to set up the Intense better for our local trails. It is almost impossible to have angles for a bike that will work weel everywhere. Using a headset to adjust the head angle of your bike is a way for the customer to fine tune their bike for their local riding conditions. The ANgelset does as Cane Creek intended. With this owners can slacken or steepen their bikes somewhat easily. This can bring new life to an old steed or allow a more Freeride based bike to be turned into a more XC based one.
The angleset cups are machined in North Carolina. The bearings are black oxide coated for longevity. Everything about this headset screams quality. There’s no reason to think it won’t last for years, and at the same weight as a Chris King headset of the same size, there’s no real downside either. We have had good luck with the Anglesets we have used and would for sure suggest them to friends to use. Their install is pretty straight forward just use grease on every part and they will not make a peep!
Cane Creek has created a game changer with this headset. It will allow the customer to tailor the headangle of their bikes to the terrain they ride on a regular basis. We would for sure reccomend an Angleset to a friend that is in search of a new one and has they desire to alter their bikes ride characteristics.
Rider: Brad Smith
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